1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,960 I think that here at the International UFO Congress we've been very lucky to have the 2 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:12,600 two most famous UFO witnesses in the world. 3 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:14,120 Kenneth Arnold and Betty Hill. 4 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:19,360 Kenneth Arnold, of course, was the man who saw them first, or at least the first one 5 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,680 who said he got great publicity. 6 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,240 Betty Hill was actually aboard a UFO. 7 00:00:26,240 --> 00:00:35,640 She was the subject of a book by John G. Fuller called The Interrupted Journey, which was published in 1966. 8 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:39,200 Betty is a retired social worker from New Hampshire. 9 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:46,240 She has been devoting the last two years to full-time UFO research and has made a number 10 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:51,280 of very interesting discoveries, had some incredible experiences, and it's really an 11 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:58,280 honor to be here to introduce Betty Hill. 12 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:03,560 Thank you, George. 13 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,120 It's my pleasure to be with you tonight. 14 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:13,640 And first of all, I'm going to start out telling you about my capture, which happened on September 15 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,920 19, 1961. 16 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:23,480 On that night, my husband Barney and I were returning from Montreal. 17 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:29,640 We left there late afternoon, and then about 10 o'clock that night we stopped in a town 18 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,160 called Colbrook, New Hampshire. 19 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:40,480 We stopped and had a lunch and had gas put in the car because we knew we would be going. 20 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:44,920 We just had a complaint that people can't see, Betty, so. 21 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:50,920 We don't want this disembodied voice booming out over all of you. 22 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:51,920 Okay. 23 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:58,320 So as I was saying, we stopped in Colbrook and had a lunch and had gas put in the car 24 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:05,920 because we knew we'd be heading down Route 3 through the White Mountain National Forest. 25 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:12,920 Since it was September 19, a Tuesday night, beautiful night, the moon was bright, almost 26 00:02:12,920 --> 00:02:19,920 full, very few clouds in the sky, and Barney and I was having a very pleasant drive home 27 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:22,360 to Portsmouth, New Hampshire. 28 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:29,080 All of a sudden, I saw what I thought was a new star in the sky. 29 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,480 While I'm watching this, it began to move. 30 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,520 So we knew it was a satellite. 31 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:41,240 So we stopped the car to get out with a binoculars to look at the satellite. 32 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:46,480 And while we're watching this, it turned and started to come in towards us. 33 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,960 So we knew it was not a satellite. 34 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,480 So we're driving along, Barney's driving. 35 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:59,600 I'm watching this through the binoculars, very unusual zigzagging, acting like a yoyo, 36 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:00,600 going up and down, spinning. 37 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:07,560 And it did this for about 30 miles until we came to an area called Indian Head. 38 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:13,400 At this point, this object left the top of the mountain, came out over the highway directly 39 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,920 in front of the car, and stopped. 40 00:03:16,920 --> 00:03:21,400 We could see a double-row window, a red light on each side. 41 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:28,760 At this point, Barney decided he's going to get out and identify this object. 42 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,600 So he took the binoculars and stepped away from the car. 43 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:37,600 Then he did the object shifted out over the field. 44 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:44,080 Barney walked towards it, looking up, and he could see human-like figures standing in 45 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,160 the window, looking down at him. 46 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:52,560 And he had the impression that one said to him, as he looked up through the binoculars, 47 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,160 keep looking. 48 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,160 Just keep looking. 49 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:58,160 Don't be afraid. 50 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,600 You're going to be all right. 51 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:02,760 No harm's going to come to you. 52 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:03,760 Just keep looking. 53 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:08,080 And at that moment, the craft began to descend. 54 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:13,120 And Barney panicked, feeling they planned to capture him. 55 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:17,160 He came tearing back to the car, saying we had to get out of there. 56 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,720 They were going to capture us. 57 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:24,240 He put the car into gear, and we went speeding down the highway. 58 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:30,800 Barney said when he came back, the craft had followed and was now over the car. 59 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:31,800 So I looked up. 60 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,240 I looked out the window. 61 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,960 I couldn't see the stars or the sky or the moon. 62 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:41,040 All I could see was something black. 63 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:46,800 And at that point, there was a series of beeping sounds, and the car vibrated. 64 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,600 And Barney and I stopped talking. 65 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:49,600 We drove along. 66 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:54,160 There were spots that I recognized that were familiar to me. 67 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,120 Barney left Route 3. 68 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:57,120 I was puzzled. 69 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:01,520 I didn't understand this, but I wasn't too concerned. 70 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:06,520 He turned onto Route 175 and was still speeding along. 71 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:12,760 When all of a sudden Barney slammed on the brakes, the car came to a screeching halt, 72 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:16,560 and he made a very sharp left turn. 73 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,080 The next thing that I could remember was driving along. 74 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,160 We're back on Route 3. 75 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:27,560 And I said to Barney, do you believe in flying saucers? 76 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,760 And Barney said, don't be ridiculous. 77 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:37,800 And at that point, we heard another series of beeping sounds, and we drove home. 78 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:42,240 Now when we arrived home, there were several things that puzzled us. 79 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,560 Both our watches had stopped functioning. 80 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,440 The tops of Barney's shoes were scuffed. 81 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:55,960 There were highly polished spots on the trunk of the car, and it had taken us seven hours 82 00:05:55,960 --> 00:06:05,000 to drive 190 miles late at night, some of it chimp-piked driving, with speeds of 65 and 83 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:10,000 70, no traffic, no police, and Barney a fast driver. 84 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,240 So these things puzzled us. 85 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,360 However, this was 61. 86 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:22,480 We both said that we were going to keep this whatever happened to us very quiet. 87 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,400 We're not going to tell people. 88 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:31,280 However, we did talk with some members of my family, and a policeman told us that anyone 89 00:06:31,280 --> 00:06:38,000 who had seen a strange craft should report it to P's Air Force Base, which is located 90 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:39,280 in Portsmouth. 91 00:06:39,280 --> 00:06:44,320 So we did call P's and made this report. 92 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:50,680 Then Barney and I started on a search to find out what we could about UFOs, because neither 93 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,000 one of us knew anything. 94 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:59,920 We get books out of the library, and in one book it said, if you've had a contact, seen 95 00:06:59,920 --> 00:07:03,000 a UFO, write to this address. 96 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:09,000 So we did, with the result that Walter Webb came out to interview us. 97 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,280 And he wrote up the experience, which we told him. 98 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:16,920 And then later two other scientists came, and they started pointing out why did the 99 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:21,080 trip taker so long to come home. 100 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:26,080 They suggested the possibility of regressive hypnosis with a good psychiatrist. 101 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:35,360 Well, it was a good suggestion, but we were beginning to live with the experience, and 102 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:39,840 leading a normal life every day. 103 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:47,200 Right after Thanksgiving, I came down with pneumonia. 104 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:56,680 And within three years, I was under treatment with my medical doctor six times for pneumonia. 105 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:03,680 Also at the same time, Barney started having serious health problems. 106 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,000 His blood pressure was fluctuating. 107 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:10,360 He developed a very severe ulcer, and he just didn't feel well. 108 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,360 He was sick all the time. 109 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,560 So he wasn't responding to treatment. 110 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:21,960 His doctor suggested that maybe his problem had an emotional basis, and had Barney go 111 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,640 in and talk with a friend of his who was a psychiatrist. 112 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:29,760 So Barney started going to Dr. Stevens on a regular basis. 113 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:36,880 One day he happened to remember this experience in the mountains and told Dr. Stevens, who 114 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:45,200 thought that we should go and have this period that we could not remember opened up by hypnosis. 115 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:51,440 And he transferred, referred Barney and I both, to Dr. Benjamin Simon in Boston. 116 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:58,640 Now Dr. Benjamin Simon is probably one of the top psychiatrists in the United States, 117 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:00,640 possibly in the world. 118 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:08,880 He had a movie made of his treatment of servicemen returning from World War II and the methods 119 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:13,400 that he used to get them back into good mental health. 120 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:19,520 So he was a man who was very well known and well respected, teaches psychiatry in the 121 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:23,520 past at Tafts, Harvard, Nauraria. 122 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:29,680 So Barney and I started going to him every Saturday morning for two hours. 123 00:09:29,680 --> 00:09:37,320 We were hypnotized separately, and at the end of each session Dr. Simon gave us amnesia. 124 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:43,560 So we did not know what we were saying under hypnosis so we could not discuss it with each 125 00:09:43,560 --> 00:09:44,560 other. 126 00:09:44,560 --> 00:09:51,480 At the end of the hypnosis Dr. Simon played the tapes back to us, which opened up our 127 00:09:51,520 --> 00:10:00,520 amnesia, in which Barney and I both told the same experience but from our own viewpoint. 128 00:10:00,560 --> 00:10:06,200 So let's go back now to Barney, bringing the car to a screeching stop, taking the left 129 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:07,200 hand turn. 130 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:13,200 And this is the point, at that point, this is where we could not remember. 131 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:20,200 All right, we went around the curve and there was a group of men standing in the road. 132 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:28,600 Barney stopped the car, the motor died, he was trying and trying to get the car to start. 133 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:30,100 It won't. 134 00:10:30,100 --> 00:10:37,100 The men in the road separate, come up on each side of the car and at that moment I panicked. 135 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:44,200 I tried to get the car door open, I'm going to get out and run and hide in the woods. 136 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:49,960 Just then the door opened wide and five were standing there. 137 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:56,960 One put his hand out over my eyes and I went into a sleep-like state. 138 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:02,960 The next thing, of which I was consciously aware, was I had the feeling I got to wake 139 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:08,000 up, I got to wake up and I'm struggling and struggling. 140 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:14,000 And finally my eyes opened and I looked down and I'm walking in the woods. 141 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:21,360 And there are two in front of me, one on each side of me, then two behind me and I turned 142 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:27,480 around and looked and here is Barney and two are helping him along. 143 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,920 He's like he's sleepwalking. 144 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:36,920 And I turned around and I said, Barney, for heaven's sakes, wake up, Barney. 145 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:41,640 And the one standing here is his name, Barney. 146 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:48,640 And I said, it's none of your business. 147 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:55,200 And I'm still saying, Barney, Barney, wake up. 148 00:11:55,200 --> 00:12:02,200 So then we, going through the path in the woods and suddenly the clearing and here is 149 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:06,920 the craft that we've seen in the sky, it's on the ground. 150 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:13,920 And at this moment I stopped walking and the one standing here said, go on, don't be afraid, 151 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:18,680 you're going to be all right, we're not going to harm you. 152 00:12:18,680 --> 00:12:23,760 All we want to do is some simple tests and then you're going to be on your way home. 153 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,200 You be safe, go on. 154 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,880 And I said, no. 155 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:34,680 And so they started pulling and I'm fighting and they're pulling and I went on because 156 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:36,960 it was a bit more of them. 157 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:38,000 I had no choice. 158 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:45,000 I was dragged on and up a ramp and there was a corridor that went around the inside or 159 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:51,120 the outside wall and this corridor was dark, no lights. 160 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:58,120 And as you go in and there was an oval shaped door and a brightly lighted room in the back 161 00:12:58,120 --> 00:12:59,200 of this. 162 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:03,880 They took me into the first room and Barney into the second room. 163 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:09,000 And I objected to this, I wanted them to bring Barney into the same room with me. 164 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:15,440 And the one I called the leader said, we only have equipment to do one in a room at a time, 165 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,560 it will be quicker this way. 166 00:13:17,560 --> 00:13:24,560 So I agreed to this and I was taken in, sat on a stool and my eyes, ears, nose, throughout 167 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:29,240 were examined. 168 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:36,240 They took clippings of my hair, my fingernails, scraping of my skin. 169 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:40,640 And at this point there was the leader and then the one I called the examiner did the 170 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:41,640 testing. 171 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:47,480 Now they took a microscope or what I would consider a microscope, kept looking at my 172 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:51,840 skin and they were very, very excited. 173 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:58,080 The examiner would look and the leader would look and they turned and they were talking 174 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,840 among themselves with great, great excitement. 175 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:07,120 So then they finished this, I was put on a table where they said they were checking my 176 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:14,120 nervous system and then the examiner tried to insert a needle like instrument in my navel 177 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:21,320 which caused great pain and he said it was a pregnancy test. 178 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:29,400 And this was 1961 and I said that's no pregnancy test here. 179 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:38,320 So then the leader left the, the leader stayed in the room where I was and the examiner went 180 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:45,040 into the next room to do Bione's examination and under hypnosis Bione told very much the 181 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:52,040 same examination that I had although instead of checking his nervous system they were very, 182 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:59,240 very interested in his bone structure, particularly the end of his spine and his feet. 183 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:05,320 And also they placed a cup like instrument on his abdomen. 184 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:12,320 Now after this experience when we came home a few days later Bione had this sort of irritation 185 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:20,800 that formed and a pattern of warts developed in the circle which continued to grow. 186 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:29,960 Now during the hypnosis while Bione was still in the amnesia part these warts became infected 187 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:37,960 and Bione needed to go into a skin specialist and have them removed. But until the hypnosis 188 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:44,200 he had no idea what possibility could have created this. 189 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:50,040 While Bione's examination is going on I'm in the room with the leader and now I'm beginning 190 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:57,040 to overcome some of my fears because naturally in the beginning I was terrified, also I was 191 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:05,040 curious and I was also angry. So I'm now getting over these feelings and I'm standing 192 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:12,040 there and I said to the leader because he keeps reassuring me that now my examination 193 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:17,640 is completed, Bione's is almost completed, very soon you're going to leave and you'll 194 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:23,000 be able to go back to your car and go home. So I said to him you know when I go home 195 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:28,280 and I tell my friends about this nobody's going to believe me, I need something to take 196 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:35,280 home as proof. He said what do you want? And I said what have you got? So he showed me 197 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:44,240 a book and I said great I'll take it. And he said I looked at it and he said you're not 198 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:51,640 going to be able to read it. I said I don't care it's proof. So I had the book there and 199 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:58,960 then I said where are you from? And he showed me a star map and he said the heavy lines 200 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:05,480 on the map are where they go all the time. The lighter lines on the map are where they 201 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:11,760 go occasionally and the broken lines were expeditions. And then he said do you know 202 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:18,040 where you are on this map? I said no. And he said explained that if I didn't know the 203 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:23,720 map I couldn't know where the earth was or where we were on the map then he would be 204 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:30,720 unable to explain it to me. Now during the hypnosis I drew this map. Now at this point 205 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:39,840 the examiner came running in, opened my mouth and he's pulling at my teeth. And I said to 206 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:47,840 the leader what's going on? Why is he doing this? And the leader said we're very puzzled. 207 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:55,840 By these teeth they're removable and yours are not. Why? So I tried to explain to him 208 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:07,680 that this is what happens to us sometimes is we get older, poor, diet, things like this. 209 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:14,360 So he started questioning what's older, age, what's age. Ask him your questions, kinds 210 00:18:14,360 --> 00:18:21,360 of questions like this. And he did not understand the words I was using. So then we started 211 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:28,840 talking about poor diet. What's poor diet? Things, diet, the foods we eat. And I mentioned 212 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:37,240 vegetables so he described vegetables. So I said I will tell you about squash. It's 213 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:44,240 yellow. He said what's yellow? So we gave that up. So at that point Barney is coming 214 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:54,560 out of the examining room. They're still helping him along. He's still very passive as though 215 00:18:54,640 --> 00:19:01,440 he's sleepwalking. And I'm delighted because I'm going to get out of this place. Barney's 216 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:07,040 being let out so I picked up the book and I sat it out behind Barney and the leaders 217 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:14,040 walking beside me. And all of a sudden in the corridor had been what I call a crew member's 218 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:19,960 as a method of identification. I could not understand a thing they were saying but I 219 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:25,040 could sense that there was a disagreement going on. And the leader went back to them 220 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:32,040 briefly and he came back and he took the book. And he said you cannot have the book. And 221 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:38,360 I said you gave it to me. This is my proof. He said I know. They had decided that you're 222 00:19:38,360 --> 00:19:45,860 going to forget the whole thing. So you won't need the book. And I said somehow in some 223 00:19:45,860 --> 00:19:52,860 way I'm going to remember this. And he said well maybe you will but Barney will not. So 224 00:19:54,000 --> 00:20:01,000 then he started walking back to the car with me and I was beginning to feel well I hope 225 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:06,040 you wouldn't judge everybody by me because I wasn't able to answer his questions. So 226 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:13,040 I said to him if you will come back I'll introduce you to people who can answer your questions. 227 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:19,720 And he said well it's not my decision to make. And I said well I must know if you're going 228 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:26,320 to come back so I'll know where and when to meet you. And he said if we decide to come 229 00:20:26,360 --> 00:20:32,800 back we will find you. So I said you know there's billions of people in this earth you'll never 230 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:39,800 find me. I don't live around here. And he said I'll find you. So he walked back to the 231 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:54,400 car and he said if you he said why don't you watch us leave. You'll be safe by the car. 232 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:59,800 So he turned around and went back to the craft and I went back to the car and I picked up 233 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:05,520 my dog Delcy who was shivering and shaking on the seat. And I said come on Barney get 234 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:10,320 out we're going to watch him leave. And Barney is now just beginning to come out of this 235 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:16,520 condition. So he came out and we stood there leaning against the car and I saw this craft 236 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:23,520 in the woods become surrounded with a swirling orange mass. It looked like a ball like the 237 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:31,240 mass was swirling around and around like a churning ball. It went up dipped down went up and was 238 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:38,440 gone. Barney and I got back in the car. We went back to route 175 to route 3. I said to Barney 239 00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:47,960 well Barney do you believe in flying sources. And Barney said don't be ridiculous. And I 240 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:55,040 thought good grief Barney does not remember. And then I thought I don't know who you are 241 00:21:55,560 --> 00:22:02,560 away you're from but I wish you luck. And then I started to forget too. Now this was 242 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:09,680 the experience as we knew it at that point. We had relived the capture under hypnosis. 243 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:17,680 We brought the professional meetings with Dr. Simon at a close in his office. Now Barney 244 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:27,200 and I did not go out of there saying oh goody goody we've been captured by a flying saucer. 245 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:34,760 We left Dr. Simon's office and started meeting regularly in Dr. Simon's home on a regular 246 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:42,200 basis. We went down frequently on Sundays had dinner with Dr. Simon and Sally and we said 247 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:51,240 okay we got the hypnosis. What have we got. I'm a social worker. I know how a person's 248 00:22:53,800 --> 00:23:00,800 brain can pick up an awful lot of things. So we started out. Well first of all if we said 249 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:08,040 maybe we were captured by a UFO. We got a terrible sense of weight responsibility overwhelmed 250 00:23:12,360 --> 00:23:19,360 with all the implications of this. We did not want to be captured. So Dr. Simon said let's 251 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:27,400 look at it as a fantasy. One of you had a fantasy and in some way you transferred your 252 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:34,400 experience to the other one. So we'll work to see who had the fantasy. Was it Barney 253 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:40,640 or was it Benic. Who gave it to whom and how. Now if we could figure out how this fantasy 254 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:47,640 was transferred. This would be one of the biggest breakthroughs in the history of psychiatry. 255 00:23:48,120 --> 00:23:54,400 So we went down regularly meeting with Dr. Simon trying to figure out how this was done. 256 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:59,680 We did different kinds of experiments and every once in a while we'd say was it really 257 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:06,680 a fantasy. But we were very happy telling ourselves it was. But there was a few things 258 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:15,640 that began to be puzzling to us that we could not get rid of. We could say okay Barney's 259 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:24,160 shoes were scuffed on the top. So maybe he stuck both shoes on a curving. So I would 260 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:29,840 watch as they both stopped functioning. Maybe it was a coincidence. The highly polished 261 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:35,840 spots on the trunk of the car. Something could have dropped on the trunk because of those. 262 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:41,800 And so we went along like this and then we had a very puzzling thing happen. Came home 263 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:48,800 one night and found a pile of leaves on the kitchen table. Dried leaves. So we started 264 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:55,800 looking somebody must have broken in. So we started looking around for some kind of forced 265 00:24:55,800 --> 00:25:02,800 intrigue. There wasn't any. So I looked. I went to scoop up the leaves and had both Barney 266 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:10,280 and I had the shock of our lives. The night of this experience I was wearing a blue dress. 267 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:17,280 I was wearing blue earrings. And now on the kitchen table are my blue earrings. And I 268 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:24,200 looked how did they get there. We didn't want to think about it. We threw the leaves away 269 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:29,440 and I put the earrings in my jewelry box. They still lay up to this day. I have never 270 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:36,440 touched them. Now the next thing was during the hypnosis my blue dress. I remembered the 271 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:43,560 dress I was wearing. I had completely forgotten about it. And I had taken my dress off. Put 272 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:50,640 it on a hanger and put it way in the back of the closet. A closet filled with clothing. 273 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:56,960 And during the hypnosis I took the dress out of the closet and it was completely covered 274 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:03,960 with a pink powdery substance. Nothing else in the closet had this. So my first impulse 275 00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:10,400 was to get rid of the dress. So I threw it in the waves basket. The next day I took it 276 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:17,400 out. I put it outdoors and after a while the pink powder blew away. But the dress was stained. 277 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:27,160 And it still is stained. Also the dress was practically a new dress that night. But the 278 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:34,960 lining of the dress was all torn. The stitching on the zipper was torn. Half the hem was hanging 279 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:42,200 down. And that was a very difficult thing to try to explain to myself as a fantasy. Then 280 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:50,080 the Barney and I still were not, we're still trying to convince ourselves it's a fantasy. 281 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:57,080 And we're still, all this is unknown. Very few people know about this. Until finally a 282 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:03,080 newspaper reporter in Boston began to get bits and pieces, rumors. And he started checking 283 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:10,080 these out. Now he did an intensive investigation and first of all he went up to the White Mountains, 284 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:19,600 talked with people who had been spotters watching the skies. Going back to World War II they 285 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:27,440 had all these volunteers watching the skies and reporting objects to the noatory that 286 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:34,360 were not supposed to be there. He collected together radar reports of unidentified crack. 287 00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:39,280 He did an extensive investigation of UFOs in the state of New Hampshire. And then he 288 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:46,000 started checking around about Barney and me. This all resulted in his writing a series 289 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:53,000 of articles that ran for five days on the front pages of the Boston newspaper. And of 290 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:58,800 course this was picked up and went out all over the world. And this was the first time 291 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:05,800 that anyone had really heard about our experience. Everyone swarming around the house. The third 292 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:13,440 night of the newspaper publicity my mother called and said, why don't you and Barney 293 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:19,360 get away from it all, come up here to dinner. So we did. My mother lives about 30 miles 294 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:26,400 from Boyd Smith. We went to dinner and we left my mother's house nine o'clock that night, 295 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:33,840 drove out to the end of her street onto Route 125 in Kingston, New Hampshire. Barney's driving 296 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:41,560 and right straight ahead of us is the second UFO of our lives. And Barney breaks the car, 297 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:49,560 put the brakes on and he's blinking the lights. I'm yelling, let's get out of here. And Barney 298 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:56,680 said no. They captured me. I'm going to find out why. Well at this point this object in 299 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:05,680 the sky goes zoom, zoom, zoom and went down. Well we knew the area. So Barney insists he's 300 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:12,680 going to go into where that craft is. He's going to go up and knock on the door. And 301 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:20,800 so I'm sitting there, you know. And so we finally decided I wasn't going to let Barney 302 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:27,600 go alone. So I decided I will go with you Barney, but you know we're going to be reasonable 303 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:34,600 about this. So we drove in and we sat there on wood roads and we tried to get into the 304 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:41,920 area where the craft was down. However, we could not do this because the roads ended and 305 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:49,600 they were in the middle of a swamp. But at that point Barney and I both realized that 306 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:56,400 regardless of what anyone thought, at that moment we knew without a shadow of a doubt 307 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:03,400 that we had, that our capture was reality and not a fantasy. Okay now, our center of 308 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:10,720 that time, this was the capture itself. Now since that time, we mentioned before that 309 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:17,720 I've been involved in the last couple of years in UFO research. I went out in checking these 310 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:26,080 out. People would call me and give me reports and I took a map and I set the map up with 311 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:33,320 pins, pin pointing where they were seeing these crafts. And all of a sudden I began to get 312 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:40,480 a pattern of UFOs going in and out of this particular area. And by following these in 313 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:50,480 this pattern I was able to establish that they were going in apparently to a certain 314 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:57,720 meeting point. And this was about five years ago I discovered this. So nights I would go 315 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:05,200 out there and sit and observe the craft coming in. And finding out that it was, locally it 316 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:12,960 was known as the landing area because they were landing. And I was going out observing 317 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:19,960 these, making notes, keeping records, keeping descriptions, breaking it down into all kinds 318 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:26,960 of UFO related activities such as lights, beams of light, strange prints, evidence on 319 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:38,120 the ground, things like this. And then about two years ago I decided that since something 320 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:44,280 might happen to me, and this was a very, very valuable area, I started bringing into the 321 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:51,280 area, high public officials, police, scientists. And we are now in the process of documenting 322 00:31:54,360 --> 00:32:01,360 all this. And we are really getting a great deal of information by direct observation 323 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:08,520 of these. And so at this point I would like to bring this to a close and I thank you for 324 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:15,520 your attention and I thank the others now. Jerry?